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Want an iPhone? Be careful what you wish for!

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:13 PM EST
technology, apple, iphone, ipod, opinion, bluetooth, mobilephone
By fufish

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Do you want an iPhone?

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  • 6528
    iPhone me!
    76%
  • 6529
    iPhone is an iFlop!
    24%

VoteTotal Votes: 46

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For months, nay, years I've heard of the coming iPhone from Apple. For a long time, I thought it was exactly what I wanted. I could have all the niceness of an iPod and my mobile phone all wrapped up in the same device. Surely it'd be far easier to use than any other music phone and would probably synchronize with a computer better than any smart phone. It's from Apple, it'll be great! Well, now I've had a chance to think about it. I'll pass!

The US mobile phone market is a beast. All of the carriers fight so hard to suck you in to a multi-year contract. Sure, you can have a phone for nothing, or nearly nothing, if you'll stay with us for at least 2 years. Come to our network, you'll love it. If you don't, you can pay us an exorbitant cancellation fee. Does this sound familiar? Problem #1 with an iPhone: You're stuck to your network. Sure, GSM is a global standard, but you'll have to figure out how to circumvent the carrier lock that comes enabled on your phone if you want a truly portable device. Oh, and did I mention that at least 2 major mobile phone carriers in the US are CDMA, not GSM. Apple would either need to release 2 different phone models, or hope that everyone wants to move to the limited number of providers that their phone supports. Well that doesn't sound like such a good deal to me.

Do you travel much? I do from time to time, often enough to realize that airplanes are filled with people listening to their iPods. What a great way to tune out the engine noise, or the annoying person in the seat next to you who thinks everyone wants to hear about his latest doctor's visit! Oh, by the way, you can't turn your phone on. But it's an iPod!? No, it's a phone, so you can't use it on a plane. Ouch, I'll pass!

Have you noticed that Apple likes to update their products a lot? Every year there's a new iPod for all of the fanboys to snatch up. Are you willing to buy a new iPhone yearly? Maybe you're willing to buy a new phone every year, but not a new iPod? What if you move to a city that your current carrier doesn't cover? How often are you willing to replace your iPhone? It just seems like trouble, not to mention the expense of adding the mobile phone hardware to an iPod, or vice versa. That could be an expensive upgrade!

So I no longer think an iPhone is a good idea, but what's the alternative? I've seen a few products lately that I think come close to the perfect iPhone alternative. They are bluetooth adapters that connect your iPod to wireless headphones and your current mobile phone. When a call comes in, your music pauses and you can answer your call through the same headphones without taking your phone out of your pocket. This is what the iPhone should do! Give me an iPod with bluetooth. Give me an iPod that links with my phone and lets me dial from my iPod addressbook, see who is dialing on my iPod display, and let me use bluetooth stereo headphones to do it all. There's no need to worry about my mobile phone provider or using it on a plane, it uses my existing bluetooth phone. It's the perfect storm!

Apple, I hope you're listening. Please, no iPhone, just a bluetooth iPod for me. What do you think?

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bgz

Anyone who flies enough to justify not buying an iPhone based on your reasoning wouldn't be buying an iPhone in the first place. This of course would follow the assumption that the iPhone would include iPod functionality, which when you think about it would be stupid on their part. Why would Apple want to compete against themselves in a market they already dominate? And most people do not share your compulsive need to have the latest version of a given product, therefore it wouldn't be a requirement to buy a new phone if Apple released a revision after a years time. And to top it all off, most reports are saying that the iPhone will come unlocked, meaning you're free to use it with whichever carrier you like.

Apple has always been good about understanding the identity of their products. The iPod is an MP3 player, and the iPhone will be a phone. And I predict it will be a very successful phone too.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:13 AM EST
Spuds Stuff

I'm with you bgz. I see the iPhone as being a phone first. Apple have been releasing great products over the last few years and there's no reason why the iPhone wouldn't be one as well.

As for the whole plane thing, it won't be long before you will be able to use your mobile phone on a plane (not sure that's a good thing). I think Emirates Airline are ready looking into allowing that from 2007.

    #1.1 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:07 PM EST
    Sean Balsiger

    This of course would follow the assumption that the iPhone would include iPod functionality, which when you think about it would be stupid on their part. Why would Apple want to compete against themselves in a market they already dominate?

    This kills me every time someone says it. How are they competing with themselves? If I buy an iPod Apple gets my money. If I buy an iPhone Apple gets my money. What's the difference? It's not like Apple already makes phones that don't have iPod capability. Then they would be competing against themselves. As it is they're not because either way they get my money.

    • 2 votes
    #1.2 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:45 PM EST
    Spuds Stuff

    And if you buy and iPod and also an iPhone then they get to fleece you twice.

    • 4 votes
    #1.3 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:38 PM EST
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    Greg Plancich

    Many music phones, including the iTunes phones (ROKR and SLVR) have something called "airplane mode" that turns off all of the nasty features of the phone and turn it strictly into a music playing device.

    Also, who are the two biggest carriers in the states? I was pretty sure they were Cingular (GSM) and Verizon (CDMA) and when combined, the GSM networks easily have more users than the CDMA networks.

    It's also not impossible to make a CDMA model of a GSM phone. Take a gander at the (horrendous) RAZR. It was originally a GSM phone, but the V3c was made and all of the Verizon fools became happy.

    Finally, it is not that hard to unlock phones. You can either wait 90 days and ask Cingular to do it for you, or simply take a look around on the internet and you will quickly find a solution.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:48 AM EST
    Dennis M Wright

    Many music phones, including the iTunes phones (ROKR and SLVR) have something called "airplane mode" that turns off all of the nasty features of the phone and turn it strictly into a music playing device.

    Quite. It's called "flight mode" on PDA/phones such as i-Mates etc.

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:34 AM EST
    Danny McGee

    Many music phones, including the iTunes phones (ROKR and SLVR) have something called "airplane mode" that turns off all of the nasty features of the phone and turn it strictly into a music playing device.

    Which is great for keeping your flight safe; but try explaining that to the flight attendant who catches you listening to it.

    "Excuse me sir, please turn off your phone."
    "Oh, no, it's okay! You see, it has a feature that disables the 'phone' abilities and just allows me to listen to my music without the ability to make or receive phone calls."
    "Umm, yeah... we're still going to have to ask you to turn off your phone."

    If you're good at hiding that little device and only switching songs when the flight attendant isn't looking, then sure, go ahead and switch it to "flight mode," but I seriously doubt that any flight attendant is going to care much what "mode" you say your phone is operating in. If the screen is lit up, it's a possible threat to their and everyone else's safety, as far as they're concerned.

      #2.2 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:06 PM EST
      Greg Plancich

      I find the attendants on United and American to be quite understanding.

        #2.3 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:14 PM EST
        Ansab

        They also find you to be a smiling ridiculously attractive Caucasian American. Others might not fare so well.

        • 2 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:19 AM EST
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        Sean Balsiger

        I'll respond paragraph by paragraph:

        I agree with everything but the last 2 words.

        Your first point is a complaint against carriers, not the iPhone. All cell phones have that problem. Rumors are that it will probably be an unlocked GSM phone. That gives you a decent choice. There are also rumors that there will be both GSM and CDMA versions. We can't really argue about this before we know what they are doing.

        Yes, I do. When I have an iPhone I will gladly use it to listen to music when flying because it will no doubt have an airplane mode.

        Yes, I have noticed. Have you noticed the number of phones every other cell phone company comes out with? Do you currently feel the need to buy a new phone every year? Why would Apple releasing a new phone every year be any different than Motorola releasing a new phone every other week?

        You've basically just described an iPhone.

        I think you do want an iPhone, you just don't know it. I definitely want an iPhone and assuming it comes out after December 22nd (when my contract expires...pretty convenient) and I have the funds I will be purchasing one the day it comes out.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:46 AM EST
        Erik K Veland

        I am sorry your US cell phone market, coverage and companies suck. The rest of the world however will be happy with whatever Apple can offer in a phone.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#4 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:43 AM EST
        Steven R.

        If Apple sells this direct and unlocked, GSM &/or CDMA compatible, and the sales approach anything close to the iPod's you'll see a shift by U.S. carriers to the European model of service.

        I once had a phone long enough to outlast the contract and went month to month, the carrier couldn't bend over far enough to keep me happy, some of the deals they tossed my way (to get a new phone and commit to 2 years) where better than anything else anybody was offering. It was a real eye opener!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:30 AM EST
        Corey Spring

        Motorola's new KRZR is the first phone I've seen that actually feels comfortable using as a phone/mp3 player combo. When a call comes in automatically pauses your music and transfers the call to your headset or speakerphone, much like the Bluetooth combo you described above. It also has touch sensitive buttons on the outside so you can navigate through music without opening your phone.

        I don't know how anxious Apple is to launch the iPhone after the mini-disaster it had with the ROKR. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:41 AM EST
        Sean Balsiger

        I don't know how anxious Apple is to launch the iPhone after the mini-disaster it had with the ROKR. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

        That wasn't made by Apple though. We all knew that was a piece of crap that was destined to fail form the beginning. Of course I suppose to iPhone could be a piece of crap that is destined to fail but I trust Apple enough to know better.

        • 2 votes
        #6.1 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:01 PM EST
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        Michael-109074Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        This guy is just an idiot - I bet he loves the Zune.

          Reply#7 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:49 AM EST
          Sean Balsiger

          Congratulations Fufish, you've been dugg. Twice.

          • 2 votes
          #7.1 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:03 PM EST
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          Picaso

          They could just make the phone 3G or 3.5G, works with W-CDMA, TDMA and GSM network, not sure of CDMA.

            Reply#8 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:33 AM EST
            Casey Hendley

            Mr. Veland hit the nail on the head. Your article blames Apple and the as-yet-unreleased iPhone for the shortcomings of the US mobile phone market and system. It doesn't seem so bad until you leave the country for awhile and live in a place with real mobile systems.

            Even Russia has a far superior system to the US. I lived there for a good while in 2005-2006 and found the American system of "subsidies" coupled with heinous contracts to be almost unbearable. The one saving grace for me was that, since I don't use a lot of time each month, my folks told me to join their "share" plan for $10/month. Otherwise I'd be out $100+ for some crappy phone, paying $50/month or more for minutes I don't use.

            In Russia, by contrast, I paid full price for the phone but it was unlocked and "activation" was usually 25-50 rubles or between $0.85 - $1.50. Minutes were cheap, and added to the phone with cards containing a pin. When I first arrived in Moscow you could buy cards in $5, $10 and $20 denominations but all the major firms (Beeline, Megafon and MTS) had switched to Ruble denominations by the time I left.

            I called the US for 40 minutes from my mobile phone and it cost me R150, or about $7 (and that's because of a weak dollar, not because of expensive service). Calling to friends in Germany was similarly priced. All phones are, of course, GSM.

            No contracts, no carrier-locked phones, it was great. When I hit a different country I bought a different SIM from the local provider. Swap SIMs, charge it with minutes, you're good to go. It beats the hell out of roaming, let me tell you, although the average American doesn't care because they don't often leave the country.

            So, again, just because the US is in possession of a mobile phone system that is antiquated, slanted in favor of the telcos and allows us to be locked into ridiculous contracts doesn't mean that an iPhone will not be a good phone, what many of us are looking for, and a quality music player. If it's not GSM, however, I'll have absolutely no use for it (it will be eventually, though, for the "sane" mobile markets).

            If American carriers finally switch to GSM across the board, offer decent pay-as-you-go instead of this half-assed garbage we have now, and offer more amicable contract terms in exchange for subsidized phones then we might be looking good.

            But I want my iPhone and it won't replace my iPod...it will augment it.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#9 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:37 PM EST
            Dr Juice

            One rumor is that there will be two models and another rumor is that the iPhone will be sold unlocked.

            In my opinion, though, what Apple does won't matter nearly as much as what the carriers do. Both Verizon and my carrier Sprint have their own music download services and I highly doubt they'd carry an iTunes-enabled phone as that would almost directly compete with their own extortionary download services, and I don't know that Apple would make a phone that would work with a service other than iTunes.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#10 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:38 PM EST
            evhan

            As a music enthusiast, I'd never invest in this either. When it does come out, my guess is that the hard drive will be miniscule (2-4 GB, perhaps? I don't know, if the actual intentions of Apple have been made public then I could be wrong...), and there's no way in hell I'd be willing to pay a heap of moolah for a phone that will only hold an album or two (exaggeration, but whatever...). My 60 GB iPod has been full for months, so a music-phone holds no interest for me until they make them with HUGE hard drives.

            I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'll keep my music and telephone separate, for the sake of my music.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#11 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:04 PM EST
            Faruk Ates

            Problem #1 with an iPhone: You're stuck to your network. Sure, GSM is a global standard, but you'll have to figure out how to circumvent the carrier lock that comes enabled on your phone if you want a truly portable device.

            No you don't — cellphone unlocking is now legal in the US as well, so they can just sell it unlocked without any problem whatsoever.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#12 - Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:16 PM EST
            Henry VII

            The author sounds like someone has never heard of a multiple-band cellphone. There are phones that can travel from country to country without much trouble [the cost for such a service plan is another issue]. Also, I would assume the audio components would still work if there was no network available. Most people do not change their iPod every year - even if Apple does come out with a new one each year. Personally, I change my phone every year and simply pay the extra costs. One could do the same thing if they already are doing so - the cost would be the same [less if you consider the fact that one doesn't have to buy two devices].

            Really, I would just like to have a red iPhone that looks stylish [perhaps like a larger nano]. I'd like at least 8 GB of space - and [with immense amounts of luck] an OSX for mobile that could be used to browse websites and the like.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#13 - Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:23 PM EST
            Greg Plancich

            The Sony Ericsson W810i is a quad-band music phone that sells for $349 (before rebate, $99 w/2 year contract) with features that are comparable to what (has been rumored) the iPhone has.

            If Apple were to make an iPhone, I certainly hope it would look something like this

            • 2 votes
            #13.1 - Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:45 PM EST
            Henry VII

            Actually, I am thinking of getting the Sony Ericsson W950i when I return from Japan. It has most of the features I would like - I just wish the flash drive were a bit larger.

            • 3 votes
            #13.2 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:32 AM EST
            Greg Plancich

            Oooh that looks schnazzy.

              #13.3 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:22 AM EST
              Sean Balsiger

              If Apple doesn't come out with a phone I think that Sony would be my next choice.

              • 2 votes
              #13.4 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:22 AM EST
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              teddybear

              Todag is 2007-01-10, the day after iphone was intruduced. Breathtaking!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#14 - Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:56 AM EST
              Greg Plancich

              Definitely

                #14.1 - Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:30 PM EST
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                Cash

                My Treo watches movies, plays Madden football and lots of other games, does a database, email, web, plays music, whatever.

                I use it all of the time on planes without getting into the "it's a phone" argument. I just shut off the Xmit function and it is just a PDA, not a phone.

                Am I missing something in the iPhone? You can't shut off the phone part?

                  Reply#15 - Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:34 PM EST
                  Faruk Ates

                  Can your treo do all of that at the same time, though? I wouldn't know because I don't have one and never bothered looking into it, because I can't stand the zillion-buttons-interface of all these "smart"phones. I used a few of them for a few moments (friends' units) and they always confused the hell out of me, so unintuitive.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.1 - Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:01 AM EST
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                  Aaron Flynn

                  let me start off by mentioning that nowhere in your article did you make any mention of ever trying out an iPhone. It seems to me that most of your argument is based on speculation and some of the information is even false. For example if you had done proper research by going to an apple store and using a working model you would notice that there is a feature called airplane mode which you can activate before getting on a plane so that the iphone stops sending any radio signals and becomes simply an iPod. Surly there are things that even I would love to see change in the iPhone but I would suggest to anyone who's thinking of buying one to not waste your time reading peoples opinions, and go test one out. See if it does what you want.

                    Reply#16 - Tue Aug 7, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
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